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Guests: Chuck Marohn; Esther Walker
I’m really pleased to welcome two great guests to the show today.
The first is not new to TOC, and in fact has been someone I’ve not only spoken with in the past but have also referred to many times on episodes where he doesn’t even appear.
I love catching up with Strong Towns’ founder Chuck Marohn because I always experience an enlightening and encouraging conversation. Today is no different.
I can remember my first conversation with Chuck Marohn back in 2013. In
those days, Chuck was beginning to show the way cities and towns could become financially viable, putting people first and debunking decades of municipal planning that wasn’t working then and certainly wouldn’t work today.
Fast forward and Strong Towns is beyond strong! It’s a force to be reckoned with that has expanded worldwide with literally hundreds of local conversation groups that have taken up the reigns in their communities to improve everything from parking and housing to streets and highways.
In this episode we cover a myriad of topics from the Ride for Life Rally that was held in D.C. to Chuck’s thoughts about how we might be getting our advocacy for cycling and walking wrong by looking to the Federal government for help as well as his thoughts about how we can all be part of a Bike Walk Revolution.
Once you hear it, you can’t un-hear it. It makes so much sense. And it just might spur you to action.
For more information and some great tools to help you launch successful advocacy in your community or to enhance the work that is already being done, log on to strongtowns.org.
In the second half of the show, I speak with Esther Walker, the executive director of Outride.
Founded in 2012 by Specialized’s former CEO Mike Sinyard, who suffers from ADHD and found that riding a bike helped him to focus and learn, Outride started by investigating how bike riding could become an important part of a comprehensive therapy program for kids with ADHD.
When Mike realized that riding a bike helped with focus and energy, offering
him a much wanted and needed break from the sufferings of ADHD, he decided to put his philanthropic leanings to work to pass on what he was discovering.
Today the organization offers hard data from extensive research as well their Riding for Focus program for middle school kids all over the country and in Canada. From a yearly research summit to community grants, the organization is laser focused on getting kids on bikes and keeping them there.
Check out their research on their YouTube channel. And if you are so inclined, start a community impact program in your town or learn how your local middle school can participate.
Consider making a donation to Outride to help continue their research as well as fund the community grant program.
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As we approach the end of 2025, I want to thank you for listening to the show. I appreciate your ongoing interest and loyalty and hope to bring you more note-worthy and wide-ranging episodes in the coming year.

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